Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-34992768-20180909131747/@comment-31763506-20180919131352

Right... And I suppose Jordan was taken from the land ceded to create Israel in order to punish the people who migrated to the land ceded to create Israel for the Stern Gang's attempt to ally with the Axis powers. (That actually happened. The Jewish rebel group Lehi tried to ally with the Nazis.  I don't know what the reaction from the German Ambassador to Turkey who received the offer to collaborate with an Axis invasion of Mandatory Palestine was, but I have to imagine it was the German for "Are they retarded?")

FYI, and the following really isn't up for debate, there's no way that Mandatory Palestine was detached from Syria "as punishment for their alliance with the Axis powers", because the boundaries between the British mandates of Mandatory Palestine and the Emirate of Transjordan and the French mandates of Syria and Lebanon were drawn at the end of World War I, prior to the creation of Syria as a state and well before the Axis powers were a twinkle in Hitler's eye. Unless you think Dr. Who had a seat at the negotiating table of the Treaty of S&egrave;vres, your statement is impossible.

If you meant to say that Mandatory Palestine was detached from the Ottoman Empire to punish it for siding with the Central Powers, that would both make sense and be true, but there was not, as of yet, any idea of creating a state of Israel, other than the Balfour Declaration, which the British had no real intention of honoring.

The place was called Mandatory Palestine by the British government, so unless you want to argue that there was never a Northern or Southern Rhodesia, I think you have to admit that there was a political entity called "Palestine". Note also that there were not Ottoman administrative divisions matching the present boundaries.

Who the wretched place "belongs" to is still not a question I care to debate.

Also, be aware that the original plan of Irgun (the guys Lehi broke off from because they were so soft on fighting Britain and liberating "Erez Israel" that they were unwilling to join with the Nazis to guarantee a British defeat), was that "Erez Israel" was to encompass the entirety of what is now Israel, Gaza, the Palestinian territories and what is now Jordan. Here's an Irgun recruitment poster from 1931 demonstrating what they thought Israel was going to look like.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun#/media/File:Irgun_poster_Erez_Jisrael.jpg

So although my rhetorical question was obviously sarcastic, there were at least some people in Israel when the country was being founded who viewed the whole of Jordan as "terra irredenta", in addition to some who actually did try to ally with the Axis powers.