Board Thread:The Last Sovereign Discussion/@comment-27713488-20170707041037/@comment-31763506-20170802034845

By their own incredibly warped standards, the Incubus King and the Fucklord are positive forces in the world. Gordon Gekkos except without the comparative intelligence.

But yeah, you're right describing any of facet of them as "good" is farcically ridiculous. So let's just discard that position as stated.

The point I was attempting to make is that highlighting Andra and her facet of Church of Ivala as "Evil" in comparison to someone who thinks launching an invasion of a country with the express purpose of eradicating its ruling class, knowing that the battle will kill innocent bystanders is the best of all possible expedients...

Well, I think Simon would dismiss such a simplistic moral paradigm as exactly the sort of thing he's working to stop.

Seeing Andra as some Machiavellian evil manipulator is missing the point. She's worse than Evil, she's fucking stupid. She sees the world only in the terms of her own worldview, instead of trying to understand the motivations and needs of anyone else.

You could make a fairly good argument that Evil in the context of TLS is a combination of either stupidity, or unwillingness to understand others.

Moreover, you no longer NEED a Machiavellian force working behind the scenes in Yhilin, we've already met and killed Lady Entila.