Board Thread:Wiki Discussion/@comment-29984007-20171228223854/@comment-29984007-20180102230253

Fluid-decanter wrote: I'm still not sure I understand, but it seems like there are many proposals and they are only loosely related. And I don't think any of them seem worthwhile to me.

they are related to the secret stats page and the readability of that page. it's usualy better think in the large picture when the structure of a big chunk is remodeled

Lostone2 wrote: Seeing that English is not our first language, I feel that both Fulminato and me are making quite a mess, I'm going to do my best to clarify Fulminato's proposals.

There are three different ones:


 * 1) Move from some of the scores lists from the Secrets and collectibles page to the Secret stats page. Reason: Fulminato feels that they don't belong in the Secrets and collectibles page, as they have more in common with lists like Poverty, Order of Silence or Trade negotiations.


 * 1) Move to a new page most, if not all, of the variables from the 3AW to a new page. Reason: Fulminato feels that they have relatively little interest and only add disorder to the Secrets stats page.


 * 1) Move to a new page (different to the one mentioned in the previous point) the scores of the new countries: Chalice States, New Givini and Tak'Kan. I suppose that other new variables (like Hospitality, Military or Magic should also moved there). Reason: if I'm understanding it clearly, he feels that their role will get so big that it makes sense to dedicate a specific page to them to help with the readability of the Secrets Stats page. (That is a bit confusing to me).

I hope it helps.

point one and two are roughly correct, for the third point...

a big chunk of readability is build over the 'block' a page is made, position, 'size', relation. i don't think is much streach to foresee in the chapter four, and five a ramping of the 'weight' of the country stats in the complessive of the secret stats page. (we had only the first taste of the chapter and the three new country had alredy ~20 entry each one... and the eight new country somewhere will be put on the table are poking throungh the door). if the country section grow to the size, for example, of 1/3 of the total we have in the middle of the page a huge block, a block anyone want see two stat before and after need a good amount of the mouse wheel to skip. the country list are intrinsic different from the other because the other are focused to one point of the game (the temporal spwan is low), the main effect will show right after that section, and can be use after long of the road, but for a minor effect. the country stats are builded all over the game, a little incremente here and there but they don't change much of the game now. before the end the score will be check, can have a huge impact (or not) but for a clear picture of that one will need to scope the whole game, the difference between the two type is here, global stats vs specific stat, put them (countries stats) at the end of the page is (for me) a suboptimal solution, but feasible one.

89.177.8.235 wrote:

1. Disagree, because those are only for the specific event, unlike general stats (like Poverty), which could be useful multiple times (some of those general stats are used only in one place, but that can change in the future). So again, specific event stats should remain in Secrets and collectibles, because those are meant only for a single specific event. Now, what I've said so far is generally true, but for the sake of consistency, it is true that things like "Trade negotiations" is also for a specific event, BUT the difference is, that "Trade negotiations" is much more complex (more text basically). But it's true that for the sake of consistency, one could argue that "Trade negotiations" should be on the same page as "Jade employees". For me, I'd say those should all be on 1 page (let's say Walkthrough), and the stats be all in a huge expandable table (it would stay closed - so just 1 line, and those interested would then click it to expand), so people wouldn't have to skip in between multiple pages "for no reason" and have everything in one place. Now, I'm not actually proposing this, because I realize this would cause the page to be a huge mess (at least that's a possibility... it's quite likely I guess), but I'm saying this just to point out, what my gut tells me this should be. (I'm quite certain all of that being on 1 page wouldn't be too much of a mess FOR ME, but I am taking into consideration other people as well)

2. Disagree. Like, for what reason? To just make more pages? ...

3. Whenever such an event occurs (in the future), we can do it then, when it's actually relevant. Not now.

Don't fix what ain't broken I'd say.

I don't think you can had taked a more amiss stat for your argument. the poverty stat is build only during the aka path, it had only one real effect, you can persuade the ambassador to vote against the orc extermination motion, after that poverty is no more. your argument is the reason i propose a clear and straightforward rule. less we leave to the free interpretation of the people more clean and orderly is the result. the problem isn't the people actively in the forum/comment of the wiki, but the random user coming and put something here and there.

readability isn't a matter of broken/whole is a matter of display the information in the more understandable way, perfection isn't a thing of this world, but improve is (nearly) alwasy possibile. the matter is the time and energy will be used for that change, making some of them simply disproportionate between works and result.

and putting to much in a single page will be make a messy result, nearly worthless for anyone. the wiki had a page for the walkthrough and one for the quests, but the walkthrough is about complete the quests, they need to be fused in a single page?