Board Thread:The Last Sovereign Discussion/@comment-27713488-20181103233945/@comment-71.70.197.47-20190511191140

NoelMittUns wrote: Most of it isn't even her fault as a character, it's meta-stuff. I think that her being alive cheapens everything related to her death, which is a big chunk of the characterization of Simon and Wynn. The false belief in someone's death just isn't as tragic as a real death.

I dislike bringing characters back to life in general. Death is the ultimate definitive consequence, so when a creator starts to mess with death, it's a message that unchangeable bad things don't exist in this universe. Oh, I know there are cicumstances and reasons for which her and only her could end up like that, but that's even worse. It looks like the plot (or even the universe itself) is bending around this character.

I also don't like how everyone behaves around her. Everyone's really patient with her, putting up with her tantrums, and only wanting to help her the best they could. I know why Simon and Wynn would do that, but everyone else? I also get that they want to be nice to Simon, but they have no problem telling him when they disapprove of one of his decisions either, so it's really off-putting to see that no one expressed anything else than total belief in her story and an eager desire to help her. I don't remember there being a serious discussion about them helping her despite her world-destroying abomination status. Once again, it looks like the universe is bending around her. She makes fun of herself, but I don't remember anyone else doing the same, which is pretty rare for this harem.

Or maybe it's a trap; it reminds me of Yarra's naïveté during the Gathering, when she couldn't tell what the Succubus Hunt implied before it was too late, and here there's another ominous threat that everybody's ignoring. Which isn't good either; if a plot point needs everyone to act stupid in order to happen, then it's not a good plot point.

And then there's her general personality. Which would have been fine had she stayed a memory, IMO. I'm tired of her constant unfunny jokes and innuendos. She's playing the "cool girl", but I find it mildly annoying and cringy. (No one does in-universe tho.) At least when it's not edgy tantrums about how she wants to destroy everything because the demon realm sucks or something, which she thankfully keeps to herself most of the time. Both of her personalities seem shallow to me. It's not a problem in itself, but it becomes one when everything else is taken into account. (Or maybe she just gets more dialogues and I'm getting tired of her much more quickly than with flashbacks.)

Basically, "superficial character bends the plot around her and cheapens the stakes of everything". No offense to people who like her tho. Not to pick at your argument but I can't really agree with much of it. I wouldn't say it cheapens anything, they very much believed and acted as if Wendis was dead for a majority of a game. Scenes like with Simon finding what Wynn did with the shrine are still very much real and emotionally impactful. It would be one thing if SL killed Yarra in one update then a month later went LOL jk it was a body double and she's fine. Her death had a very significant consequences in the game.

And as for the comment of convenience of 'the plot, or even the universe itself' shaping around the character' that's pretty standard for the game. How convenient Simon's only daughter happens to have a crush on him, how convenient the Empress just wants to give up her empire and support Simon, how convenient Simon has been relevantly forced to have sex with so many girls to save them from corruption...

Remember what King Alonon said, something is manipulating 'destiny' itself to shape around Simon. While Wendis just happening to come back alive is a HUGE machina, what happens if Wendis's death and resurrection as a world ending power with pre existing feelings for Simon is some other force's VERY long plan adds a new layer to it.

And while I think there is leeway and personal opinion allowed for character opinion. (I myself hate Grubbak with a passion) but I feel like you got some of your facts wrong regarding Wendis. For one I think being tortured in hell for three decades is reason enough for being patient! Especially when said person is able to destroy the world itself I wouldn't get on there bad side!

But I think you missed a lot of dialogue involving the Harem and wendis. Directly after bringing her back if you use the 'chat' option with the Harem most of them openly say they are happy for Simon but Wendis really does disturb them. Also In the latest update Sarai directly states just how fucked up her aura was. And my favorite was Queen Janine and Wendis's talk where Janine calls wendis out for just telling people what they want to hear and not showing her real face.

I'm not sure why you say there should be more arguments surrounding Wendis saying it's common in the harem. That's not true at all. Sure there are some rivalries like Orilise vs Lynine and people making fun of Trin for being a sociopath, but I don't remember very arguments with Hilstaria, Robin, or Aka. I mean Wynn has life destruction plans that make thanos look like a sissy and everyone if like 'lol Wynn you're so quirky.' Varia was a rapist murderer and Aka is only mildly annoyed about letting her join.

The only thing I can think of on thinking on your posts is that after Simon's talk with Wendis Alone, there SHOULD have been a confrontation on her vs the rest of the harem if she is to dangerous. Even if Simon asked her to do that I can see plenty of people coming in to call her out on it. It definitely should be in the game, so maybe something to ask SL to add retroactively. (if you don't want to ask about it I certainly will.)

Can't really argue against disliking her personality as everything is opinion related. I like her dark humor and how she works with Simon but that too is just opinion based.

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