Board Thread:The Last Sovereign Discussion/@comment-25941257-20170924103337/@comment-31808207-20170929201808

The Fulminato wrote:

we don't know the effective power of the MDB, mithyn and zelica compared with antiala and the mother, but don't think there is a huge difference, so the goddess can be enslaved by someone (the most powerfull IKs, i suppose. and the lustlord is the oldest, but he can or cannot be the most powerfull of all), but ginasta cannot be controlled. this plus her refers herself a mortal creature many time, and the likehood of she lies is very low. Sigh, these forums like to eat posts. Had a nice long reply typed up and lost it... Basically, I think your argument here relies on two assumptions that I don't think are far to make:

- Assumption A: Divine beings and/or goddesses were enslaved with IK powers. Given that evenything we know about this comes from a single, very short exchange with almost no context, I don't think this is a fair assumption to make. For all we know, their slavery had nothing to do with an IK's normal power to enslave mortals. It could easily be some kind of magical binding or even a hostage situation for all that we know.

- Assumption B: Ginasta is immune to control. This has some support, but not enough to make such a strong claim. We know that Skullcrusher, a relatively weak IK, couldn't enslave her, that she was confident enough to walk into the Gathering, and that she escaped our prison in Yhilin. However, we have no understanding yet of the mechanism for how she escaped, so this could be entirely unrelated to whether she can be controlled by other means. Furthermore, we have no idea if the stronger IKs would've been able to control her at the Gathering. For all we know, she was suicidally overconfident and would've been screwed both literally and metaphorically if the Lustlord had decided he wanted to make her worship him instead of hurting her. So, I don't think we have enough basis to say she cannot be controlled in a general sense.

I do agree that lying about it seems out of character for her--but, as I said, it could potentially be that she is -unknowingly- a goddess. The same goes for Wendis if one ascribes to that theory. Incarnation doesn't necessarily imply that the incarnated god(dess) knows their own nature immediately. If you look at the most famous story of incarnation in the western world, that of Jesus, he still grew up basically acting as a human even in biblical accounts.