Board Thread:The Last Sovereign Discussion/@comment-25941257-20170924103337/@comment-29984007-20170929105906

2606:A000:1019:80A9:80F8:5F48:11D7:D8DD wrote: One thing that interested me is the way the demon said you would have to walk both realms to gain true power, not just the demon realm. This made me wonder if there was a duality in the souls of the powerful. If that were true, the Chosen of Ivala could be the divine side of the shattered Lustlord. That would explain why the Chosen are so damn stupid. Ginasta could be a reverse Esthera, somehow imbued with a Chosen piece despite being fairly different.

the chosen captured during the 'dealing' with andra was been killed withdrawing something from him, we don't have any hint for a similar process with the soul shard, so i discard the theory to compare shardholder and chosen source of power.

to me feel like someone imbued an huge amount of power in the 'chosen candidate' (balia spoke of a similar process when join yarra after the gathering), but the amount of power is a finite quantity, so only a finite number of chosen can be made. kalant story tell us the possibile to a chosen to surrender the power without killing himself.

The other side could be shards of Tertia yes, but since she said didn't exactly feel like a soul-shard, I'm wondering something else. What if a Goddess had to cast off pieces of her power for some reason? The pieces would just be sitting around, unrecognized.

(at least some of) the goddess are concelaed before not long ago, antiala 'show herself' after the founding of zirantia, the mother guards are a recent development, the goddess of magic don't had any meaningless recording in the recent history. and even if the they make their move under the shadow now they are playing the game in plain of sight, something is changed not long ago, and don't think is because of simon's effort (if simon is the human the MDB pinned her hope mithyn don't have good word for him), can be the alonon visit to the 'tower', but i still think the fact is another step of the 'new playing style' of the divine.

I think the most interesting questions are around King Alonon's reaction. What is the symptom that seems to cause events, and why won't he take part? Is the tower a device that controls fate, and does he feel existentially helpless?

alonon tell 'we have free will, but the free will is a joke', no one 'controls the fate of anyone' (if will be the reverse no one can have a free will), but the world is set on his path, and no one is strong enough to change them, even the kings cannot make any meaningless effect in the big picture, so think to change even the slightless thing is futile.

Animalia555 wrote: I'd like to speculate on why for three of the harem members, Carina,Lynine, and Orlise now matter what you do they won't go over 99. More specifically we are told that they are waiting for something extra to put them over the edge. I'd like to speculate on what that something extra will be. for carina is easly, she need answer for her doubt in the 'divine sphere'. ivala exist? the holy touch on her soul where came from? why purified the seed broken the connection, and the nothing after?

for the two elf is more difficult, i don't think they need a 'divine breakthrough' like carina, perhaps a better definition of the relation between the elven kingdoms and the 'doom king'?

LordCyberForte wrote:

I think people are a little too eager to say Qum is something other than Qum when the pink hair thing is literally the only reason we have to think she's anything out of the ordinary. Several issues I see with that particular theory:


 * Her power progression isn't meaningfully different than that of other characters. Chosen get that massive exp boost, rememberr; Ginasta also implied something similar when she said she knew other people who worked just as hard as she did and yet didn't end up nearly as powerful.


 * On the name thing, let's look at who we're talking about. The person who literally only ever refers to Simon and Yarra by their actual names (not counting "Angry Janine" =P). Beyond the fact that her real name is a homophone for Cumdump (explicitly chosen by other succubi to be such, in fact), I see nothing weird about the fact that she had trouble remembering it.


 * i agree, qum is realy werid, but not think is more of a very strange succubus


 * qum know the other name, first because the other use them and she don't have any problem to associate the name to the person, and the angry janine is more clear, she know janine, and her situation and neranda is very close (even janine, after the first o second letter make a similar statement) with a difference of less sad and more angry behavior. so qum know the names, but don't remember them, she rememeber the alias.

Just for fun, some idle speculation of my own for people to poke holes in. If we assume for a moment that the theory of the Mysterious Divine Being = Wendis is true and TLS god(esse)s can incarnate themselves... What if Ginasta is -is- a goddess? Possibly unknowingly so. The idea of an athiest goddess greatly amuses me. And while others have pointed out that divine beings refer to having been enslaved as a reason for her not having a "divine" shard, I'll point out we have no idea the why or how of that. It's entirely possible and even probable that normal IK enslaving powers do nothing to them.

we don't know the effective power of the MDB, mithyn and zelica compared with antiala and the mother, but don't think there is a huge difference, so the goddess can be enslaved by someone (the most powerfull IKs, i suppose. and the lustlord is the oldest, but he can or cannot be the most powerfull of all), but ginasta cannot be controlled. this plus her refers herself a mortal creature many time, and the likehood of she lies is very low.